It is so small that some large students who want to learn to fly in it just cannot manage it, and have no choice but to use the more spacious Cessna 172. That was its strong suit.. Canopy is great when taxiing in the summer and in the pattern. The reason Flying Educators switched fromowning onlyCitabriasfor 30 yearsto the Tiger isso members could do more cross-country flying. Aircraft Spotlight: Comparing the Citabria and the Grumman Tiger, FAA publishes 'Aviation Weather Handbook'. If you touch it, its going to move an aileron or elevator, Mike said. Moving to the Grumman Tiger meant they could have a four-place aircraft better suited for cross-country travel and still have a plane that was responsive. The main parts supplier for Grumman aircraft is an outfit called Fletch Air, and I think theyre based in Houston, he said. get there? Enter your Username and Password to log in. The hull is insured at $65,000 with $1 million liability. Unless you want to go off airport. Aero on Demand, a Houston-based club, also operates a Tiger and it is equipped with an engine monitor providing very accurate data. Thank you for being a part of the Cessna 172 Club! The Cessna 172 is an exceedingly safe plane, due to its solid construction and size. I don't think you'll find any Cheetahs which weigh in at only 1314 lb empty -- 1400 is more typical. run about $1,200 depending on the going rate in your part of the country. I am very familiar with both these aircraft types. login you will see the new forum. Cessna 172. group of pilots and state-of-the-art forum software. What are real world numbers for these two at 75%? The Cessna 172, on the other hand, is still being produced. With a fuel burn at cruise of around 5 GPH, she does better than my Chevy S10. L14. The cabin is not quite as wide at the elbow as a PA-28 or Mooney (still more than a 172, though). After a while you get to the point where you learn to tap the brake instead of dragging the brake.". The Tiger was designed by Grumman engineers and was first produced in late 1974 as the 1975 model. Otherwise, owners report that the AA-5 family is largely free of issues, and they enjoy great support and parts availability from companies such as Excel-Air Services in Indiana and Fletchair in Texas. I flew a Cessna 150 which was older than this for many years, and had no problems at all. Additionally, the castering nosewheel is a simpler and lighter design than those used in most Cessnas and Pipers. I think the only way I would chose the Traveller of the Gruman line was because I could get a good airframe and avionics package and upgrade to 180hp cheaper than I could buy a Tiger for, and I don't really see that happening. ). The Cessna 172 is a lot more powerful than the Cessna 150. 2023 Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association. Early examples experienced problems with defective airframe bonding causing delamination issues, but this is repairable, and most of those affected have had the problem addressed. But by all means give it a try and see how you get on. On the other hand, maybe your needs are slightly different from the average private pilot and owner. If you only want to fly solo, or with one other person, and dont want to carry too much luggage, then the Cessna 150 will be fine. Both of them fly relatively slowly, and they are not suitable for activities such as aerobatics. It was this way even before I did the upgrades. Citabria burned about 5 to 6 gph, making it economical to operate. Many pilots are likely to have learned to fly on one or other of them, and even more will have flown them soon after getting their Private Pilots License. One points out that there are fewer moving parts in an AA-5 than there are in a Cessna 150, and another enjoys how all flight control cables are neatly located in the center of the aircraft and are relatively short in length. Discussion in 'Hangar Talk' started by WVTexan, Nov 21, 2013. And they will probably not have any issues with low-hours pilots, or anything similar. Like any aerodynamically efficient airframe, proper speed management is important on approach and landing. many destinations within a 500-mile radius, including the Bahamas. The Tiger was the outcome of the same redesign work on the AA-5 Traveler that resulted in the 150 hp (110 kW) Cheetah and it was originally little more than the same aircraft with a Lycoming O-360-A4K 180 hp (130 kW) engine, resulting in a 139-knot (257 km/h) cruise speed. Santa Rosita State Park, under the big 'W', www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48872, http://www.loprestiaviation.com/#!lopresti-tiger-cowl/ci0v, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. The Tiger is halfway between a sport plane and a Cessna 172. ). The American Yankee Association is the original type club and holds regular events, including an annual convention. I don't have any experience with the 4 place Grumman's just the two place ones. It was largely a matter of economics, Greg said. So this might well decide things for you. Please head over to our new home at the Pilot s Place Forum. That phrase sort of confuses me. just ain't that kind of aircraft. Krish discussed having to change some avionics, propeller, engine cowling, and after 300 hours of flying him and his partners also had to overhaul the 180hp engine, which cost a whopping $28,000. At these airframe weights, 20hp buys a good bit of forgiveness. So if you want to buy a new airplane, this may well be the model for you. I've already got a bird that will eat a Tiger up.. They fly well and are comfortable. With a, fixed-pitch prop and fixed gear, its simple to operate. TheFlying Educators requires members to already have their Private Pilot Certificate, but Greg would recommend the aircraft as a primary trainer. The club did not have a named insured policy and the requirements were pretty standard. Approximately half are ADS-B-compliant, and most have midtime engines. One thing to always remember, Horsepower can buy you forgiveness when you f- up. If your club is looking for an economical aircraft that can serve as a primary trainer and a solid cross-country platform. So again, if you want to take the family on holiday, having a plane which is faster, more powerful, and can carry more weight, may decide things for you. Among thedifferencesare enginesize,with variations from 115 hp to 180 hp, and whether the wing spar is metal or wood. But in the mid-90s, they decided to make a change[see this months Club Spotlight]. Combined with a panoramic canopy, nimble handling, relatively modest prices and thriving owners groups, the resulting blend of strengths makes these Grummans intriguing options for new and experienced owners alike. It is, nevertheless, an item to confirm during a pre-purchase inspection. I was gonna ask him the same thing. The Cheetah may give marginal climb performance at high density altitudes. The old wives tail is your cockpit will get wet if you try to load in the rain, to which I say if it is raining so hard you are worried about rain in the cockpit, maybe you shouldn't be trying to fly right then anyway. Also See: Cessna 150 vs 172; Cessna 180 vs 185 I think he'd be happier with a Tiger, but I haven't been able to talk him into it yet. The Flying Educators isan equity clubfounded in 1962based at Ft. Lauderdale Executive Airport (KFXE). On average, I can see 100 MPH while spinning the prop at just around 2300 RPM., I have owned two Cessna 150s, an F model that I purchased new in late 1965 and an M model that I purchased 39 years later in the fall of 2004. Insurance for our 1979 Citabria (Model 7-ECA) was $870 in 89 and had risen to $2,195 when we sold it in 95, Greg said. Our 115-hpCitabriawas a fun, inexpensive aircraft that provided very stable air and ground handling for lower time pilots and entry-level aerobatic capabilities for more experienced pilots, Greg said. I've never heard anyone say the sliding canopy leaks. Answer: You wont need a lot of extra tuition, but a few hours with an instructor would really be a good idea. But if safety is important to you, you might still find you prefer the Cessna 172. The final variant of the AA-5 line was the AA-5B Tiger. The later versions produced in the 1990s and 2000s will cost a bit more with prices in the $75,000 to $100,000 range. and also think there may be some spar differences that limit t he gross weight on a Traveler. The seats move further forward in the more modern versions of the Cessna 172, but even so, I find it easier to fly the Cessna 150, where everything is within easy reach. Through various ownership changes, such as Bellanca and now American Champion Aircraft Corporation, the simple, well-liked design has continued on with additional variations being produced such as the Decathlon and Scout. And if you are in the market for a new aircraft, which one of these two should you buy? Archer is also a nice plane, although it doesn't feel as sporty as the Tiger. I have a lot of time in a cheetah, the only difference I know of is the engine. It will keep up with a 182. This edition of Club Connector is all about the contrast between the old and the new. That wood isn't 50 years old and it is glued to a steel frame including a roll cage cabin. Mojogrip online https://mojogrip.net Add me on Instagram https://goo.gl/U7Fcca Add me on Facebook https://goo.gl/rbjE6N Back with the second half of Krish's . Find more About Us here! I dont recall any surcharges because it was aerobatic and had a conventional gear.. They can provide anything for the airplanewheels, wheel pants, windshields, cowlings, anything you need for a Tiger or similar Grumman aircraftthey can provide.. Jason McDowell. And, if you are doing aerobatics, you need parachutes that need to be repacked regularly, which would add a cost. Its hard to beat a tandem seat aerobatic aircraft when it comes to fun. The Flying Educators did routine maintenance and annuals in-house with little difficulty, Greg said. The Cessna 150 vs 172 are similar in many ways. Even with limited power (compared to 150 and 180 hp versions), and the absence of inverted fuel and oil, there were very few maneuvers appropriate for beginning aerobatic students that the airplane couldnt handle.. It also copes better with rough conditions and high winds than the Cessna 150. FletchAir down at Boerne Stage (5C1) is the regional guru of Grumman. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Pilots Operating Handbook Grumman Tiger at the best online prices at eBay! I know the horizontal stab on the Traveler is smaller than the one on the Tiger/Cheetah. "Three or four of the 10 members would use it for aerobatics a lot. Greg said. Tiger owner here. Tiger owner here. This. There is a beautiful Grumman at my airport for sale. Greg noted that on a namedpolicyyoull pay a premium based on your least experienced pilot. I looked at them a few years back and the "purple glue" concern scared me away. A 1975 Grumman AA-5B Tiger (N74429) \u0026 a 1997 Cessna 172R Skyhawk landing on Runway 10 at Princeton Airport (39N) in New Jersey followed by a 1982 Eurocopter AS366 TwinStar (N355MT) taking off shortly upon my arrival on the field. Autopilot, 430W, PS Engineering audio panel, JPI 830, new paint and interior. It continued to look good until it was sold. ). Its only got two seats anda relatively small baggagecompartment, so itwould be similar to taking a 152 on a cross-country trip probably not your first choice, but certainly capable for one or two people with no bags. I know you can upgrade a Cheetah to 180 hp and essentially a Tiger. There is a reason why so many people fly the Cessna 172, and why it is said to be the most popular aircraft ever produced. Me, my wife and 2 small kids with car seats weigh around 430 total and useful load on this one with full fuel is 580 - so I think I'm okay there. Additionally, the airplane can be flown with a partially open canopy, which improves the experience even further. Indeed, unlike most comparable aircraft, there are no moving parts inside of an AA-5s wingall flap and aileron actuation is achieved via easily accessible torque tubes upon which each control surface pivots. Not quite ready to buy yet, but for the right deal https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/grumman-gang, Santa Rosita State Park, under the big 'W', E38F0B5E-2ED1-4B77-ADA8-8CE1FC154C26.jpeg, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. One maintainer reports that the majority of incidents he sees are a result of runway overruns that began with excessive speed on final approach. Discussion in 'Flight Following' started by BellyUpFish, Aug 29, 2011. Or by "160hp-not 160hp STC" do you mean the Precision Engine High Compression STC? Accordingly, AA-5s are quick to convert a light nudge of the yoke into an instant change in attitude. Tiger human checkbox, which will verify that you are indeed a human. So which is better: the Cessna 150 or the Cessna 172? The hierarchy of personal general aviation aircraft types has, over the years, come to be defined by certain mainstays. The Citabria breed has an AD requiring a one-time inspection of the wooden spar where they have to check it for cracks. While the difference between the two is by no means huge, the 152 is the more economical option. In 1976, the AA-5 Traveler was replaced with the AA-5A Cheetah. While the earlier AA-1s and AA-5s did not change much from year to year the AA-5B Tiger underwent almost continual improvement. Your login, avatars, posts and archives have all be relocated there. Kinda dicey actually. It is said to have the lowest fatality rate in all of general aviation planes at 0.56 per 100,000 flying hours. At the end of the day, Greg noted that most members fly solo or with only one passenger and, for that reason, the airplane has to be fun to fly, and it is. Discussion in 'Hangar Talk' started by SixPapaCharlie, Dec 14, 2015. Get the Tiger, you local flights will get boring after 100 hours and you'll want to stretch out to further destinations. Still not fast enough to be a real cross country plane, imho. Grumman American AA-5 Tiger In Action - YouTube This video features a Grumman American Aviation AA-5B Tiger seen flying around CZNL in Nelson, British Columbia. Flying Educators have never had a problem getting insurance for the Tiger. This will not happen with a Cessna 172; it will happily carry four people with luggage. If your club wants to offer something different yet cost effective, a Citabria can help attract members who want to earn a tailwheel endorsement or do some aerobatic flying. The four-place Grumman AA-5 family might be one of the better-kept secrets, offering the simplicity of a Cessna 172 while approaching the cruise speed of a similarly powered Mooney. All spars are life-limited to 12,000 to 12,500 hours, underscoring the importance of having a detailed logbook history. Nicest one Ive ever seen. The sliding, glass-rich canopy can be flown partially open in flight, adding to the pilots unique experience in this series. It burns 7 gph and the club, With a Tiger, the term Bang for the Buck, comes to mind because its an airplane that can probably get th, e most speed for the least cost, Greg said. It will keep up with an Arrow. The plane was always in a hangar probably a major factor.. This month we will compare the two aircraft the Flying Educators have operated in their 57-year history the Citabriaand theGrumman Tiger. One operator I flew for we had a Traveller as a run around plane to gather guys in from remote strips (cheaper to fly it than the Ag planes if they need to be there tomorrow). Useful load on most of Tigers I've seen run in 900-950lb range. $19.99 . It includes a touch-and-go,. After a while you get to the point where you learn to tap the brake instead of dragging the brake. If you are looking for a good all-round airplane thats easy to fly, can carry passengers, and will do most of the things any private pilot wants, then the Cessna 172 should be perfect for you. (I'm at Hollywood aviation in the plane ports. The clubwanted an airplane better suited for cross-country travelandthey settled on the Grumman AA5B Tiger. The Tiger is halfway between a sport plane and a Cessna 172. Between 4,000 feet and 10,000 feet, depending on temperature, it gets between 8.3 gph to 9.2 gph,and youre doing 135 knots easy, saysAero on DemandfounderMichaelBletsch. If you fly a Tiger for 20 or 30 hours and get into a Cessna 172, it feels like a truck., You cant go wrong with either a Citabria or a Grumman Tiger in your club. The Aircraft Spotlight feature looks at an airplane type and evaluates it across six areas of particular interest to flying clubs and their members: Operating Cost, Maintenance, Insurability, Training, Cross-Country, and Fun Factor. The AG-5B is uncommon, with only 150 produced as compared to more than 3,000 Travelers, Cheetahs and AA-5B Tigers. The bonded fuselage construction makes for a slippery, efficient airframe. Indeed. Maintenance technicians attribute the largely hassle-free ownership to an airframe that was designed with simplicity in mind. Considering pre-flight, trip time, rides to and from airports, etc., it was faster driving on any trip less than about 200 miles. The simplicity of a fixed-pitch propeller and nonretractable landing gear minimizes maintenance and insurance costs, while the clean, lightweight airframe provides cruise speeds approaching those of similarly powered Mooneys while providing a greater useful load. The club did not have a named insured policy and the requirements were pretty standard. Pilots Operating Handbook Cessna 152- Pilots Safety And Warning . Accordingly, a good, reliable engine-monitoring system is a wise investment, and with the proper adapter, savvy buyers can download engine-monitor data to observe how a seller has been treating the engine. A number of Cheetahs can be found equipped with the 180 hp O-360, which is available as an STC. Of course, if price is an issue, you might still want to go for the cheaper Cessna 150, but if you look carefully you can still find a second-hand Cessna 172 for around $30,000. Its a fixed gear, fixed-pitch prop so theres just not a whole lot that can go wrong with the airplane, Greg noted. For not much more budget, the Tiger seems to work better on paper. :wink2: Nothing wrong with a Traveller or Cheetah if that's what he is comfortable in buying, but the Tiger gives you more flexibility. Man erkennt eine AG-5B auch am T-frmigen Gashebel. Stalling and spinning are very benign in both types. I've never heard anyone say the sliding canopy leaks. With a power setting of 2550 rpm to 2600 rpm, Mike usually cruises between 135 and 138 knots. (You must log in or sign up to reply here. Nope. Picture . On the other hand, smaller people may struggle to fly the Cessna 172, particularly earlier models. youll pay a premium based on your least experienced pilot. I have watched a lot of Nat Geo, Wild Kingdom, etc. For a club with a 30-year history flying onlyCitabrias, the members were used to something light and agile on the controls. Since it is a tube and fabric airplane, its best to keep it in a hangar. At the end of the day, Greg noted that most members fly solo or with only one passenger and, for that reason, the airplane has to be fun to fly, and it is. The Cessna 150 is a two-seater aircraft, whereas the Cessna 172 is a lot larger than the Cessna 150, having four seats. Being based in Florida,the Flying Educators havemany destinations within a 500-mile radius, including the Bahamas,andmembers wanted an aircraft more suited to that mission. It will carry four people and luggage, and you have a wide choice, from completely new models to budget-priced much older ones. Its roll rate is faster than a Piper or Cessna. Never seen you, are on the north side of the field? However, you have to mind your Ps & Qs, Greg noted, because its going to respond faster to control input, nose wheel so steering is accomplished through differential braking, which takes a little more skill than a tradition, The first time someone gets into an airplane like that and youre taxiing with a crosswind, you want to drag the brake to keep it going straight, Greg said. The Tiger was designed by Grumman engineers and was first produced in late 1974 as the 1975 model. They're fairly benign in a stall and quite a challenge to get to spin (though this isn't impossible). CTAF audio is included. Guy has over 100K in it and he is selling for 57K. ", Surprisingly, the Citabria was used for cross-country trips more often than you would think, but only if arrival time requirements werent challenging, Greg said. Flying Educators requires members to already have their Private Pilot Certificate, but Greg would recommend the aircraft as a primary trainer. Perhaps because they are easy to fly, some pilots complain that both the Cessna 150 and the Cessna 172 are somewhat boring. I'll PM you another one. One letter called the new Cessna 172 "the rough technological and stylisticequivalent of a 1966 Chevy Novaat the price of two Mercedes." Another called the announced $124,500 base price of the new Skyhawk"incredible" and suggested that $75,000 or $80,000 would be appropriate. I don't know the details of his financial situation, but I think he could pop for a Tiger without breaking a sweat. Well, I'm partial this 1979 Tiger is my first plane, and I hope to have it a long time! As with the AA-5A, the AA-5B was continued in production by Gulfstream when they purchased Grumman's American division. The Citabria wins this category over the Tiger without question. Three or four of the 10 members would use it for aerobatics a lot. Greg said. People tend to step on the seats just a problem of not knowing how to get in the plane, I believe the wing is a time life item and the end of the plane. The bonded aluminum construction eliminates the need for rivets, so even sitting on the ground it looks sleek. Since it is a tube and fabric airplane, its best to keep it in a hangar. Finding a good mechanic that has tube and fabric experience and expertise is important, and it could be a little more challenging to find than someone used to working on 172s or Cherokees. Please head over to our new home at the Pilots Place Forum. Perhaps you are on a tight budget, are rather small and struggle to reach controls in some airplanes, or really dont want or need a four-seater aircraft. Some pilots do not, since although they can see really well beneath the aircraft in the cruise, visibility in the circuit/pattern can be difficult. Apologies for the shakiness.Aircraft: Grumman AA-5B Tiger, Cessna 172R Skyhawk \u0026 Eurocopter AS355 TwinStarTime of Day: 2:53 PMDate: November 2nd, 2022 Private and Commercial helicopter licenses and Instructor Rating were quickly added to her resume. Does he have it on Barnstormers, Trade a Plane etc. Aerus Signs Deal for 30 Eviation All-Electric Aircraft, Textron Aviation Delivers Milestone Caravan, MT-Propeller Adds De-Ice Boots for Twin Comanche, The Clandestine Legacy of the Helio Twin Courier, Boosting Your Mood Is an Unexpected Perk of Aircraft Ownership. If you have four people, filling up to the tabs provides 38 gallons of fuel, and you should be fine for most cross-country flights. Between 4,000 feet and 10,000 feet, depending on temperature, it gets between 8.3 gph to 9.2 gph. I have a bunch of time in the Cheetah and a friend has a Traveller with the 160hp-not 160hp STC - great little planes. All was in order etc, just don't know much about the plane. 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